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    Should English taxpayers fund Scottish healthcare?
    Posted at: 00:01

    While millions of patients in England and Northern Ireland are expected to pay for lifesaving drugs, Scottish ministers have joined their Welsh counterparts and pledged to abolish prescription charges north of the border.

    Scots already have access to free eye and dental check ups, free personal care for the elderly, extra central heating grants and a number of drugs deemed “too costly” for the NHS in England and Wales.

    Critics claim the Barnett formula, the calculation which allocates Treasury funding to Britain’s regions, and currently gives Scotland £1,500 more per head than England, forces English taxpayers to subsidise Scottish largesse.

    Even Joel Barnett, the inventor of the formula, has called for his system to be re-evaluated.

    Should prescriptions be free for all or should they be means tested?

    What can the Government do to fix the “extreme form of postcode lottery”?

    With all of the discrepancies in standards and accusations of a two-tier service, can we actually say that we have a National Health Service?

    To send a letter to the editor of The Daily Telegraph, email dtletters@telegraph.co.uk

    Comments (60)

    No wonder the Aussie's refer to the English as "whingeing poms"! Differences in policy? Wake up and smell the coffee! It's called devolution.
    Posted by mike docherty on October 22, 2007 8:45 AM
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    Instead of going on about the Scots why don't they
    introduce the same benefits in England and Wales?
    Isn't that what people would really want?
    Posted by Barrie Redfern on October 22, 2007 8:45 AM
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    The Scots and Welsh would be well advised to dismantle the National Health Soviet on their side of the border and introduce a patient based system similar to that of the French. The English could then be left to 'enjoy' the worst health care system in western Europe.
    Posted by Tom Kilcourse on October 22, 2007 8:45 AM
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    Why are we complaining.For the last ten years we have been ruled by mainly Scottish background MP'S.Gordon Brown,Alistair Darling,John Reid to name just a few.They have been buying Scottish votes for years.
    We voted them in so are now suffer the consequences.
    Posted by George Williams on October 22, 2007 8:44 AM
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    Oh absolutely! And Zimbabwe, France, the Cayman Islands, Massachusetts, Tesco, the South African Rugby team, my goldfish...
    Is there anybody sane left in British politics?

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    If Scotland want their own Parliament, which they now have and want this "Devolution" then English taxpayers should not have to subsidise Scotland. It's wrong that English taxpayers suffer so much, being taxed into poverty in every aspect while English taxpayers still subsidise Scotland, it's FREE university tution, FREE eye and dental care. Make the Scottish taxpayers pay for this - Not the English or Welsh or the Northern Irish.
     
    The majority are now sick and tired of Scotland getting FREE this and that and English taxpayers expense while English university come out with huge debts and English families have to pay for eye and dental care when they are working.
     
    If everyone in England gave up work tomorrow, I'd like to see how Labour will fund all these migrants, asylum seekers and the Scotts when they don't have our taxes anymore!!!
     
    Just like Scottish and Welse MPs voting on English only affairs - it's wrong! Labopur always say that English MPs can't vote on Scottish and Welsh affairs because it doesn't concern them etc, well, the same thing goes for Scottish and Welsh MPs voting on English only affairs! But no, Labour say it will violate the rights of the Scottish and Welsh MPs if they're not allowed to vote on English only affairs! Well, what about the rights of English MPs then who are not allowed to vote on Scottish and Welsh only affairs?
     
    Oh, and Brown, time you grew some balls! How can you control how many immigrants come to the UK stating only 13,000 will be allowed in when you have an open-door policy? You can not place limits on an open-door  policy - the UK is not a nightclub with bouncers on the door and a maximum capacity! And let's face it, Scotts and Welsh complain about migrants to their countries also, yet while Scotland takes 3,000 migrants in one year, England takes the vast majority and one city in England has been swamped by 15,000 of them which is more than what Labour said would be allowed in in the first place!
     
    England can not afford to fund Scotland and England sure as hell can not afford any more migrants and asylum seekers, can even afford the 1.5 million that have come in in the past year or so, but what do YOU do Labour? You leave the damn floodgates open for more and more to pour in turning the problem you have now which is an uncontrolable disaster into a complete disaster and nightmare while you tax the English into poverty, take away funding from services that are on their knees because of migrants and asylum seekers flooding in!
     
    "But they're all coming here to work" Labour says, erm, yeah right, and what fantasy world are you living in Labour? How many of these people are now claiming more a year in benefita than the average wage of the average English person? How many of these people are on Job Seekers Allowance because they can't work because they can't speak English!!
     
    Thanks Labour! Thanks for opening the doors to allow everyone in. Thank you for bringing our public services to their knees. Thank you for sending our crime rates soaring because the open-door means criminals are now flooding in and filling up our prisions because you were too stupid to tell the EU where to go with their ridiculous open-door crap!
     
    Why are all these migrants and asylum seekers heading here? Simple, no other European country will put up with them disrepecting them, their culture, way of life, traditions, festivals and customs, and more importantly, no other European country is stupid enough to let them all in to "work" when the vast majority end up on benefits and everybody in the world knows "a better life" in the UK really means a nice free life at the expense of English taxpayers who can barely afford to keep a roof over their own heads because of TAX, TAX and more TAX! And did I forget to mention - TAX!
     
    If other member states of the European Union can boot out migrants and asylum seekers then England and the UK can too! If other member states can impose limits on immigration and asylum, then England and the UK can too! If the English weren't so civilised as we are, we'd be on the streets burning everything down throwing rocks, petrol bombs and everything, just like some of these migrants and asylum seekers would DO! Damn, they start trouble on planes, causing misery and injury to innocent airline passengers just to stay here, get a FREE house, FREE everything and never have to work a day again because they get £25,000+ per year in benefits! More than what a nurse is paid!
     
    If you kick out just one migrant that can't speak English, that isn't working and has no intention too, that will pay the wage of ONE new nurse!
     
    When's it going to end Brown? Blair has already laid down the foundations and road to our ruin? What's your job now? To finish us and ruin us completely?
     
    It's simple. Mass immigration and asylum means benefits and public services are put under strain and drained. The more you let in, the more funding you have to put into those services to meet the high demand of the migrants and asylum seekers because there's just TOO many of them.
     
    Sensible thing to do would be to close the borders for at least 8 years so you could sort out the mess that we are in, kick out those that won't learn and speak English, that refuse to work and pay their own way! I's not a violation of human rights - it's called common sense, something this current government lacks!
     
    And don't get me started on the violation of human rights against the English, not allowed this and that to do with their customs, traditions and festivals in case it upsets some disrepectful moron from another culture. Tolerance is a word Labour uses and aims purely at the English to tolerate everyone else while they run amock in our country and disrespect everything English and Christian they hate, mainly confrontational muslims do this just for the hell of making life difficult for everyone else and because some moron has notihng better to do in the government then come up with ways to destroy the English way of life! Political Correctness is just racism and fascism against the English, Christians and Catholic's of this country, a complete violation of their human rights when their way of life, their heritage, their right ot be recognised by it's own government as English, culture, traditions, festivals and customs are eroded because someone non-English and non-Christain and non-Catholic my be offended by it - this is ENGLAND not some human rights and civil liberty violating barbaric islamic state or Eastern European country from the old Eastern Bloc! Human rights act protects the English, Christians and Catholic's too, it's about time someone reminded Labour about that! And it's about time Labour were informed of the offence that is being caused against the English, Christians and Catholic's of this once and former great country due to down right racist and fascist Political Correctness!
     
    Even with Blair as PM with Brown as the moron in charge of the Treasury, the English have suffered, now we're going to suffer even more with Brown as PM and Magpie in charge of the Treasury! English people have lost faith in both Labour and Tory, both as bad as each other. Now the English get bent over and screwed real good by having to fund Scotland's FREE this and FREE that while English have to pay for it.
     
    If Brown wants to be PM, then go be PM in Scotland, you're not wanted here in England. You're destorying us. Let Scotland take 500,000 immigrants and asylum seekers in a few short months, see how they like it then, but hell, the English will still be paying for them though! Let Scotland have their public services and benefits system brought to it's knees and see how many Scottish taxpayers will like that! but the English will still be footing the bill!
     
    Out with Labour. With human rights violations against the English, Christian's and Catholic's, there's enough to have Labour removed from power on those human rights violations alone, just no one's got the balls to do it except us at the Order of Knights. All those in charge of this Political Correct racism and fascism that is eroded and destorying English, Christian and Catholic traditions, customs, festivals, cultures, should be rounded up, arrested and charged with human rights violations under the human rights act, that goes for Blair and Brown too!
     
    They're not fit to run a country let alone a shop!
     
     
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